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LHD Podcast 007 – Buddhify 2 App, Mindfulness and Weight-loss. A Conversation with Rohan Gunatillake.

Learn from one of the masters of Urban Mindfulness, the creator of Buddhify 2 app, how your can improve your everyday life, and mindfully lose weight.


  • About Buddhify 2, an urban Mindfulness app that you can use in almost every situation to bring a sense of calm and clarity to your life.
  • What Mindfulness is and how you can benefit from it.
  • LifehackrDiet is, at it’s core, a “mindfulness” diet.
  • How to derive more pleasure from simple things we do everyday.
  • What you can do with “dead-time” or in-between moments in your day so that you can benefit.
  • How to get “in the moment” or “Flow” when you are doing things in your everyday life.
  • Some new features that are coming to the Buddhify app on iPhone and soon, Android.

Plus more many more tips and tricks for exploring mindfulness in your daily life and on the LifehackrDiet.


Related Videos

A Preview of the Buddhify 2 App.

Rohan Gunatillake talking about the Buddhify 2 app.

Rohan Gunatillake talking at Future Fest about mindfulness and our society.



Mindfulness and meditation might seem like a foreign concept to you, but chances are you have probably practiced many times in your life, without recognizing it. As a kid, when you were crying or hurt, did anyone say “calm down, just breath, in and out”? Right there you were being instructed to focus on your breath – mindfulness! Before a sports competition or a speech did you close your eyes and calm yourself? – meditation!
It’s normal and natural to want to clear your mind or focus on your breath to achieve a state of calm and clarity. Now you can use modern tools like the Buddhify 2 App to train yourself and improve your everyday life, simply.

Check out the Blog Post on this topic Here!.


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Paul: This is Life hacker Diet podcast #007. Let’s meditate!

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Paul: The Lifehackr Diet podcast exists to empower you to get one step, one mile and one pound of weight loss closer to your goals of superior health, wellness and well-being. Welcome, welcome. This is a Lifehackr Diet podcast #007. I am Paul Michaels, your host. And today, I’m really excited. I was just checking out the analytics on my podcast, and it’s been just over a month. And I’ve done just a soft launch on the podcast which means no advertising, just putting it up there. I’ve been very focused on getting content up into the podcast stream for all you guys so that you can get to work right now on loosing weight and being healthier. So I haven’t done any advertising. Basically, I haven’t told anyone about it and I’ve already had 700 listens (downloads).

That means that people have downloaded a podcast of the Lifehackr Diet podcast, 700 times which is mind boggling. So I want to thank you all for taking the chance on the Lifehackr Diet podcast. I want to continue to give you great information, actionable stuff, you can take to heart right away and start acting on. But I need your feedback. I need to know what you want, what you don’t, what you like, any questions you have and the way you can do that is heading over to lifehackrdiet.com and click on the podcast button, and it will take you to the list of podcasts and under each podcast, show notes there is an area where you can leave comments. And I would really appreciate knowing what you guys want to hear more of. And today is a good example because I’m continuing with my interview series. And this time, it’s with a gentleman by the name of Rohan Gunatillake who is the brainchild behind a Smartphone app called Buddhify 2.

What does this have to do with the Lifehackr Diet? Well, that’s why we did the interview. So I think you’ll find that it’s a lot more than you think it has to do with it, but to find out, you have to listen. So here we go with the interview.

INTERVIEW: I’d like to welcome Rohan Gunatillake to the LifehackrDiet podcast. Rohan is an innovation producer and entrepreneur working in Wise Technology & Modern Mindfulness. Rohan, heads up 21awake, a creative studio which combines deep experience in meditation technology and design. 21awake is best known for Buddhify and I believe Buddhify 2 which are the best selling urban mindfulness apps in the iPhone app store and soon to be on android. So Rohan, I want to thank you very much for taking time to be here today.

Rohan: Not at all, Paul. Thanks for having me.

Paul: So the reason I wanted to set up this interview is because I downloaded Buddhify 2 and it was out of curiosity, and I was immediately drawn in by the app. And I’m not easily drawn in! I’m a bit of an app junkie, love to see what people are doing out there. And I also don’t have a lot of experience with meditation. So it tends to be a little scary at first. And what I found about Buddhify 2 is it completely disarms the listener. And I think one of the core things that I think you’re sort of subtitle, it is modern mindfulness wherever you are. And I found that to be absolutely true because you have meditations for surfing the web, walking down the street, taking a break, exercising, traveling, eating, even waiting around.

So what’s so great about it, Buddhify 2, is that it’s accessible because it’s on my iPhone but it’s also… it’s current to my everyday activities. And I think that’s what’s so wonderful about Buddhify 2 is because it is very relevant on a daily basis.

Rohan: Yeah, that was very much the big idea behind making it which was to solve this problem that a lot of people sort of may have heard about mindfulness meditation but never sort of found a way into it, and the main reasons people tend to not pursue their interest is either they feel they don’t have time to go to a class or course and so that’s why this whole idea of meditation the way you are like all those different activities and locations you mentioned. And also the, I guess one in the States, you might say the perception of meditation being a very ‘wu-wu’ thing. So we spend a lot of time on sort of visual design, the aesthetic, the language, the tone of the whole, of all the content and just a look and feel of the product as well, to make you feel like it’s a sort of app that you’d be very happy showing your friends on your phone. You won’t be embarrassed because it’s full of crystals and lotus flowers and all that kind of stuff.

Paul: And that’s exactly what I’ve been doing because it somehow finds its way to most of the conversations I have, and I end up pulling it out and showing people. So I think you’ve been extremely successful that way. And I think I’ve listened to some podcasts with you and watched some video clips of you online, and I think one of your kind of philosophies is that there’s a lot of noise out there and our technology just amplifies the noise that we get that’s not useful to us. It’s almost out of habit that we check our Twitter feeds and all these things, and you want to see how you can kind of twist technology or not twist it but use it in a way that actually brings positive results to people. And I think…

Rohan: Absolutely, I think too often where we think that technology is intrinsically bad for us. I think the more examples we have like Buddhify and all sorts of other things which show us that we can actually use this stuff to make in our lives a little bit more peaceful or connected and that can only be a good thing.

Paul: Right, and that’s the reason that I wanted to talk to you on the LifehackrDiet podcast. Because the LifehackrDiet is very simply looking mindfully at your life and just making small changes in both the way you approach things and what you consume, so that you make huge strides in hitting your goals of loosing weight and getting healthy. So what I would consider noise is everybody saying “go exercise three times a week. Eat less food.” And that’s noise because we can’t process it. And what LifehackrDiet does is it says “hold on a sec, when you go grocery shopping, I know you hate it. Let’s actually kind of twist this around a little bit and why don’t we study how many steps you get when you go, exercising. How can we increase the steps you take when you go grocery shopping? And when you go grocery shopping, do you take reusable bags so you can kind of lift them like weights as you’re going along.”

And so what we’re trying to do is move activities that people do everyday and exercise which they don’t do enough of and move them synchronously. So we actually help people analyze their lives and find out how doing exactly what they’re doing, they can get more out of it.

Rohan: Yeah, I think that’s a really powerful idea, the idea of sort of embedding or overlaying your normal life with all these differences whether it’s sort of the exercise practices that you’ve outlined there and we have all these interstitial moments during our day which often we sort of sometimes wrongly call sort of dead-time or in between time. And these are wonderful opportunities to, like you say, to work on elements of physical health and also mental power as well. And I think that it can bring some sort of purpose, energy and excitement so that maybe eventually people enjoy going to the supermarket.

Paul: Right, well, when you benefited from it physically, it certainly changes your attitude. And the other thing that I think is important. I’ve been listening to a lot of the meditations on Buddhify 2. You’ve got a couple for eating, and just this simple idea of being mindful of what goes in your mouth. And I think one of the huge problems in society in North America and I think probably over in the UK where you are too, is eating is just another activity that we do because we have to, It’s like going to the bathroom. And that’s not what eating is or should be! And so in your… actually both of the meditations in the food section of Buddhify 2, you actually ask people to take the time to actually taste the food, the motion of your hand going to your mouth. What does it feel like? And you’re just slowing things down and you’re letting people actually, lack for a better word, meditate on the fact that they are eating.

Rohan: Yeah, and I think there so many different dimensions to eating. I think so there’s that… it’s pretty much the most sensually and enjoyable part of our day for a lot of us and I think it’s just a shame that despite that we can not see and whoop it down or don’t actually connect with just the simple sense experience of taste and texture and the flavor and all the lovely symphony of experience that happens when we eat. And I think that… so those tracks we talk about is sort of just trying doing a better idea to get off becoming this just making the decision to be more sensitive to what’s happening, be it the physicality around the movements or the taste sensations. And then just noticing, like whether that’s a more enjoyable eating experience or not. And if it is, then the mind naturally will want to do it again.

I think that’s the sort of the whole, the magic, the sort of secret or power meditation works is that when you sort of pay attention in this kind of way to different elements about experience in eating and so on, when we actually feel the benefits of what that kind of attention can result in, then we just naturally want to do it more, and I think that’s the sort of natural gravity or momentum towards that kind of sensitivity which is really nice. And there are where, like I said, we’re adding some new tracks to Buddhify. And so we added a couple of more eating tracks and other dimensions around eating such as obviously, like a lot of… there’s a big movement around now about sort of becoming more sensitive to the how our food gets to us at all.

So all the supply chains and the farmers and the whole system that exist behind what can seemed quite a simple thing. And so we’ve added couple of tracks which sort of help us reflect on that kind of practices as well, engender, often the whole reflection in the media becomes quite negative one around say like welfare of animals or workers and so on. But I think there’s a much more powerful positive dimension when which we can actually grow our sense of gratitude and towards everyone in the food system and that’s something that we’re interested in doing with Buddhify as well, Clearly. It’s a quite different dimension to sort of the sensitivity of the experience itself, an equally important one where you can take, walk and feel like of an individual activity literally just putting this stuff in you body but it can come a bit more sensitive to being actually connected with other people, and that can be quite a beautiful thing as well.

Paul: Absolutely, I mean the more I study mindfulness, the more I think about the LifehackrDiet. And I’m writing kind of the bible on the diet. I’m beginning to think that it’s actually meditation because what I’m doing is I’m trying to stop people from mindlessly eating, to looking at their food and most diets say, stop eating what you’re eating, eat this. What LifehackrDiet does is it says, no, no, no. Eat what you want to eat because that’s who you are. But what we’re going to do is we’re going to make a little bit of a change to your food. And I give this example all the time of one of my favorite snacks is guacamole and chips, and I had to change that because it’s too many calories and I eat it all the time. So I ended up with sugar snap peas and guacamole and it takes it down almost half of the calories.

And suddenly, I have’ve looked at what I’m eating. I’m mindful of what it is and I’m mindful that I have control to make a change, which if I eat that, seven days a week which I probably do, it’s like a 910 calorie savings over what I would’ve normally eaten. So because I’m conscious of it, because I’m mindful of what I put that in my mouth and that I need to make a change, I guess in a sense, it’s not so much meditation but certainly mindfulness of what you’re doing. And you know the fact that I’m asking people to, when they park the car, don’t park at the closest spot to where you want to go because that’s what we all do. We’ll go around for hours to try and find a parking spot right near where we want to go. Take a parking spot that’s a distance away and walk the difference and it’s going to be better for you.

So just analyzing your life in a more mindful way, what’s really good for me, what will benefit me, and I think the mindful way we can encourage people to be, the better off we’re going to be as a society. Because again, we go back to your comment about the food and where it comes from. How many people actually think about who prepared their food? If you go into a deli and get a sandwich, there’s somebody making it. But what’s their life like? Why are they doing this? How do they feel while they’re doing this? And one of the meditations that I really enjoyed on Buddhify was one of the walking around the city ones, and it was that…

Rohan: Sure, yeah. That’s a lot of people’s favorite part.

Paul: So just for the audience, this is not your typical meditation. It’s kind of a video game in a way. You’re basically, when you’re walking through the city, you put this on and you zap people you walk past. But you don’t zap them with anything negative. You actually zap them by wishing them a good day and health and happiness. And it kind of feels weird at first but the voice over, I don’t know if they’re actors, but the woman who’s doing the voice over who is just fun, and you find yourself falling into it, and you’re doing it. And by the end of it, you feel better because you try to kind of, enlighten or help these people that you don’t know through this meditation. So I think it’s very important that we are more mindful of the “chain” of people that ended with us, whether it’s our food, whether it’s our medical care whatever it is. And when you ask somebody ‘how’s your day?’ you know “thank you very much”, it helps them with their day and makes them feel good. And that’s sort of a way of you saying I can only assume that that’s kind of the benefit of one of the new meditations you’re putting in there.

Rohan: Yeah, yeah absolutely. It’s just a simple like the simple way of sort of, because one of the issues especially in my urban environments is that the feeling of isolation and just these very simple reflections can help us feel just a bit more connected to others even though we may not know them or ever know them in any detail, whatever can help us soften. We will a go through our own personal soap opera where we are the center of the universe and all these, everything’s happening to us and often we can feel quite hard done by and so, I’m just sort of by including other people in the experience and even do sort of play safe, quite playful game like-wise, then it can soften some of the that trickiness we feel around that so.

Paul: Absolutely. The other thing that I found fascinating, it was also in the same category of walking in the city, was a meditation called stride, and it’s a very simple meditation and basically what it does is it has you focus, all your attention on the bottom of your feet touching the pavement as you walk. And as a kid, I grew up in Canada and one of the things we learn from the cradle is how to canoe. And they say that the voyageurs that would travel thousands of miles in a canoe would paddle, singing these kind of repetitive monochromatic kind of songs. And they would find themselves in a trance and a hundred miles of paddling would go by very easily because they would just have put themselves into a trance. And for what little it was, stride did that and it was actually when I finish the meditation, it was like shocking. I mean it was just weird that I was able to focus everything to the bottom of my feet and just stay there. And I think one of the thing that that made me realize was the power of these meditation, and that it can actually transport you into a different place.

Rohan: Yeah and I think, there so many different aspects in meditation, the one you talk about there is really an interesting one. Some people call it flow, other people… in sports you talk about people being in the zone. And it’s a fairly common experience when there are just of your sense of flow and naturalness with what’s happening around us and that’s sort of those. And just taking… so we’ve taken like our experience and mind states like that and sort of just put their sort of the mechanics into those tracks. Like example, the reason that works is because and those of you and your listeners who do things like, they might be in whatever their activity is, be it running or cycling or even playing music or whatever. This feeling of when you become less dominated by your sort of thinking chatting mind and there’s an absorption in the physicality or walking or running or listening to music or reading even or writing for many people.

This whole a bit of the… and when sportsmen and when sportsmen and athletes talk about getting in the zone and they have particular techniques they use. I remember listening to the golf as recently at the British Open talking about, Rory Mcllroy talking about techniques he used to stay in the present moment when he’s in really stressful situations with his massive golf tournaments. And they’re all very similar techniques of putting all your attention in the body, sort of letting go of any sort of general chatting and really being as present as possible. And the more he do that, the more the types of experience that he described can happen and it’s a skill. A lot of us sometimes think that these things just happen by accident but it’s very much a thing that can be trained as well.

Paul: So we kind of discussed two types of mindfulness, one being in the zone which is the sort of thing that you would tend to experience when you’re doing something active and then another kind of mindfulness which is, just kind of absorb being the moment and the feelings and the taste and the smells when you’re eating. What I find interesting about what you just said is, mindfulness and meditation are around us, have been around us forever between the voyageurs and the latest golf open. People have been practicing this. They have their ways of doing it but if you said to them, okay well, why don’t you join our meditation? They might say, oh no, oh why, I don’t meditate. And it’s like, yes you do. You’ve been doing it all your life you just didn’t realize it. And so what I like about what you’re doing about Buddhify is that you are introducing us, but maybe to a lot of people you’re re-introducing us to it and putting a title to it and making it very modern and very accessible.

Rohan: Yeah, and I think like you said, you’re absolutely right because focus is incredible natural behaviors. They’re not… there were all things, we actually use sort of elements of this intentional training all the time, the sort of meditation traditions or the mindfulness traditions, they’re just really great at is understanding all of it in a bit of depth and in a bit of systematic kind of way and sort of mapping out the various types of practice that you can do and the different types of results you can get by doing different things. So all it is, is sort of optimizing and developing natural skills. It’s not, it’s all working with what you’ve got rather than trying to. It’s not alien stuff. And the result of that, it can often just feel quite a natural thing as well. And so that’s with the proof of that, I guess.

Paul: So let’s just back for a second and let’s just… we’ve discussed how real people use it in real life, how our listeners can use this. I will be discussing more because I’m really starting to see this with the Lifehackr Diet, how you can use with the Lifehackr Diet. But let’s just take us back. If you could kind of give us a definition of what mindfulness is and how it benefits people. I think that would be great.

Rohan: Yeah, so I’ll do that in two ways. Mindfulness is generally is quite a broad term and it applies to basically a range of practices, meditation practices. So often the word meditation mind tends to be used interchangeably in this general sense. And so the general definition is ways of using your attention so as to develop positive results, results such as calm, concentration, compassion, self-awareness and so the general umbrella of mindfulness in meditation is particular techniques and exercises you can do with your attention to do that. And then there’s a more specific definition which is where mindfulness is paying attention to experience which is happening right now in the present moment, experience in our bodies are or in our minds in a way that is very open of course it isn’t trying to…. isn’t in conflict with the experience, that’s just to be balance type of attention. And so that’s a more technical definition.

But I think more often it is the general idea of these different exercises you can do with your mind to develop positive qualities. That’s how I see it so, I see very much like the idea of exercises which train you in such and ways. And see you can do a certain meditation techniques or styles which can train concentration, other things which can train a sense of calm, other things which can train a sense of compassion and they’re all slightly different but they’re all based in the thing that sort of unites them all is this idea of using our attention in the very present way.

Paul: And so you’ve obviously introduced many people to this. And what kind of benefits do they kind of… do they’ve noticed first when they start doing both Buddhify and just in general mindfulness in meditation?

Rohan: Sure. I think one of the first things people notice is that there’s a whole part of their life that they’ve not really looked at in detail before, this idea of an inner life. It’s not often that we look at what’s going on in our minds that often. And so one of the first sort of, definitely one of the most common things when doing a conventional meditation session is this whole like, whoa, like my mind is crazy. I never knew. And for some people, that’s terrifying. For other people, that’s really interesting. They say, oh wow, there’s these all, my thoughts are all over the place and this is happening and that’s happening, and it becomes really interesting thing. That is aspects of experience which people get a sense that they can learn to understand and learn to train in certain ways.

And then there’s more sort of over time, people start to see the ability to grow their concentration which is something which is quite scarcity at the moment in our culture, I guess, and can be quite an asset of being able to just put your mind in one thing and put it to stay there without too much distractions, maybe that a piece of work or another person or whatever is that your interested in focusing on. Also there’s this idea of what people experiences mental chatter, sort of inner chatter which can, this sort of this voice in your head constantly commenting on things. Naturally, that should just starts to loose a bit of power and loose a bit of dominance and so, one’s sort of inner life can be a lot more calm and relaxed.

There are sort of two big things. There’s all sorts of stuff… And so sensitivity to ones body is actually really important one. I think it definitely important in the context of LifehackrDiet is that often we can not be aware of different be it, attention or sensations in our body. And through becoming more aware of that, we’re able to notice when, sort of, almost like early advance, early warning system for like any troubles coming ahead. So for me, me for example, so there’s an example. Most of us, I call it stress signature which is typically everyone will have a particular part of their body which when feeling stressed will become quite tight. And typically it can be around the chest or in the belly or in the face.

And for me, for example, I feel it really in the jaw like sort of the sense of tension. It could be quite quiet but it’s definitely there. And so for me, that’s actually quite useful because often, I don’t know what I’m stressed about but I’ll get this feeling of anxiety or stress that is expressed through this feeling in my jaw and in my face. And that really, it gives me a massive cue to think about, to look, oh, I’m starting to get stressed and use that as an opportunity to take a break from something or so on. It’s not often that your body lies to you about how it’s feeling. And so often we can be so stuck in our heads that the most sensitive we become to physical experience and particularly physical tension. You can really head-off some bigger issues earlier on by growing that sense of embodiment. I definitely find that as well.

Paul: Yeah, and I had found this as well. Just taking what you said and translating it over LifehackrDiet. So what we do is I basically use a digital pedometer, a food diary app, a weight scale. And on a daily basis, you basically, you are able to automatically track how many steps you’ve done, how many calories you burned by doing a food diary, you’re actually suddenly becoming conscious of the food that’s going in your mouth because it has a value to it. And then weighing your self once a day, you kind of check all those balances and see what happens. Again, just trying to find a parallel, I know people when they’re trying to loose weight, they freak out if suddenly it goes up. And I’m just writing blog post now. That sites is an example…

My wife and I went to a Mexican restaurant. They made guacamole right in front of us. And before I could say anything, the guy pinched a huge chunk of salt and just sprinkled in into the guacamole. And I don’t eat much salt so it’s like, oh, great. I ate the guacamole anyway because I’m not going to let it go to waste. And the next day when I weight myself, I was like a pound-and-a-half heavier. That doesn’t mean that I pigged out and I’m a pound-and-a-half heavier, what it actually means is you’ll find the day or two later is that was water that your body is retaining. So by understanding what you’re eating, by understanding the exercise you’re doing and what should happen, instead of freaking out.

Oh my God, I’m on a diet but I’m gaining weight is like I’m on a diet. I ate too much salt. I’m retaining water. It’s fine, move on. And the idea of demystifying your body and understand how things work, I think, gives a great sense of empowerment because instead of its cogs in a machine that you have no concept of, suddenly you understand what happened and you know what you need to do to get back on track. And what I’m trying to do is give people tools, some of them are mechanical or digital but the majority of them are just tools of understanding, of how their body works, how their metabolism works. And it gives you a sense of peace, you know what you need to do in each situation rather than just freak out.

Rohan: Absolutely. I think the way you’ve described it. You could categorize all of these as just data, right, and its different types of data which help us make better more informed decisions. And so whether it’s body awareness or physical step tracking or understanding their constituents of food or understanding nutrition and all these sorts of things. It’s all better data which is helping us make good decision. I think like in a way, like mindfulness is a data capturing technique or it’s just a different type of data business, interior data.

Paul: Right, well I definitely see the correlations there. So that’s interesting. So I just want to start to sign off here because we’re up to just over 30 minutes. So I want to encourage everybody to go to the App store and download Buddhify 2. Just as a note it is spelled B-U-D-D-H-I-F-Y and I will have links to it in the show notes. I will also put up some videos that Rohan has done to show off Buddhify. And then some other videos that are online where he talks more about mindfulness and technology. And with your permission, I would like to just do a quick 30-second demo of Buddhify on my phone so people get a sense of how beautiful it is and how cool it is to use because it’s great interface.

Rohan: Yeah, sure, absolutely. And just a note to everyone that commonly it’s only out iOS but an android version is on track by later this year. So don’t feel too bad if you’re on android for now.

Paul: And I think you also have albums that are available, right?

Rohan: Yeah. That was just a short term thing because I knew we have to launch on iOS only just for capacity reasons and so we published a couple of albums just off tracks. And there’s some pre tracks on the Buddhify website as well. But once the android version is out then I’ll give a much more accessible experience to more people so that’s great.

Paul: Awesome. Well, I highly recommend it to everybody. There is almost no situation that can’t have a little Buddhify applied to it. And I think you’ll be absolutely delighted and quite surprised at what happens when you listen to a lot of these short meditations and I’m sure Rohan has lots of great exciting things in-store for us shortly. I believe you’re working on some more stuff. You want to go into that?

Rohan: Yeah, just to say that we’re just working on a couple of new products. All sort of, they share this idea of new and accessible ways for new audience as to get into meditation and mindfulness. The one I’m most excited about, I want to say too much about it but it takes the idea of meditation as a two-player game instead of a one-player game. And so that’s the one I’m most excited about.

Paul: You’re definitely translating this into the modern era which is wonderful. Where can people find you or find more information about what you’re doing?

Rohan: Yes, you can just look on Twitter. Find @rohan_21Awake. That’s my company name and I’m easily found if you Google my name.

Paul: And I will have a spelling of it in the show notes and I’ll have links to Rohan’s Twitter feed. So I want to thank you again very, very much for taking a time out to chat with us. And I’m very curious to see what people listening to this had to say and what questions they have. Just remember, everybody at the bottom of every podcast on the lifehackrdiet.com website, there’s a chat section. So be great to get a chat going on seeing people who have never meditated before. And if you download Buddhify 2, and try it, I’d love to hear what you think of it and how it’s affected your life, what are your favorite tracks?, how have you used it in an unusual way. Let’s just get the discussion going and we’ll make sure that Rohan here sell the good stuff. So again, thank you very, very much. And best of luck with everything you’re doing. I know I’m going to be there and maybe we can get you back on the show on the future and discuss new stuff that you’re doing.

Rohan: Brilliant. Thanks, Paul great to talk, excited to yeah, just looking forward to have a conversation in this whole area of growing, I guess.

Paul: Excellent. That was my interview with Rohan. I hope you guys found it as interesting as I did. The more and more I spoke with him and the more I was thinking as I was preparing for this interview, the more I realize that in a way, the LifehackrDiet is kind of a mindful way of approaching your diet which I think is a very positive thing. And you know I found the more that you understand about your body and about food and exercise, the better off you are. In fact, just a little personal situation or personal story that I have to apply to this was I had been on LifehackrDiet for about 16, 17 months. Obviously, I’d hit my 30 lbs of weight loss and I was maintaining it. And I went with my family on a 10-day vacation to Central America. We went to Costa Rica and had a wonderful adventure holiday. But I did not have my Fitbit with me. I did not have my food diary going. And I ate like a pig, of course, it was exotic food for me and so thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed myself eating and trying new stuff.

We were doing a fair amount of exercise because we’re doing white water rafting and kayaking and climbing and all that kind of stuff. But what I found really surprising is when I got back, the morning after, I weighted myself and I actually weighted less than when I left. And one of the things I can attribute that to is the fact that I’ve been doing this for 16, 17 months and it actually has become second nature. It’s part of my operating system now. And although I keep using my pedometer and my food diary, if that all went away now, I think I probably would have no problem maintain my weight. So it’s just kind of interesting how you start to learn about yourself, you learn about the food you eat and how it affects you. And soon enough, it just becomes your lifestyle.

So anyway, I hope everybody got something out of this. Please check out the App. Please check out the other Apps. There are lots of them out there. There’s stuff in web about meditation. Give it a try. You’ll never know. It certainly not going to hurt you but it might help you a lot. So thank you again for listening to LifehackrDiet podcast #007.    

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